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Gregory C. White
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https://www.vmi.edu/news/headlines/2020-2021/vmi-begins-to-relocate-the-stonewall-jackson-statue.php
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Michigan Dave
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Hi Greg,
I heard a Robert E Lee statue removed from a park in Dallas sold for 1.5 million! And that the statues can be relocated to non public sites? Anyone know where other statues may be going? Can they be put in a Confederate Cemetery??
Thanks, & Regards,
MD
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Phil Andrade
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Quote: Hi Greg,
I heard a Robert E Lee statue removed from a park in Dallas sold for 1.5 million! And that the statues can be relocated to non public sites? Anyone know where other statues may be going? Can they be put in a Confederate Cemetery??
Thanks, & Regards,
MD
Hi Dave,
How long before the Confederate cemeteries themselves are desecrated ?
Or is that too far fetched as a proposition ?
Let’s hope so.
Regards, Phil
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"That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes
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Gregory C. White
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Quote: Hi Greg,
I heard a Robert E Lee statue removed from a park in Dallas sold for 1.5 million! And that the statues can be relocated to non public sites? Anyone know where other statues may be going? Can they be put in a Confederate Cemetery??
Thanks, & Regards,
MD
The vast majority of removed Confederate statues, that I'm aware of, have been placed in "storage" by the municipalities that had them removed. One notable exception is the Nathan Bedford Forrest statue that stood in Memphis for over 100 years. It was also the grave of General & Mrs. Forrest. The graves & the statue have been relocated to the new Confederate museum in Tennessee being built by the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV). There will be a huge re-dedication ceremony once the pandemic is over.
The assault on American history and culture continues. Over the recent Thanksgiving holiday, the 1903 "All Veterans Memorial" @ Lone Fir Cemetery, Portland, Oregon, was partially torn down. The Abraham Lincoln memorial in Spokane, Washington was vandalized. The George Washington Memorial @ Washburn Fair Oaks Park in Minneapolis was vandalized, as well as the "Pioneer Memorial" @ BF Nelson Park in that city. The William McKinley statue in McKinley Park, Chicago, was vandalized and almost toppled.
There seems to be a growing sentiment that American history is not worth preserving or memorializing. I say in a diverse culture and population such as the United States, as a people or nation, we do not share the same heroes. Instead of tearing down statues and monuments because my heroes "offend" some, I say lets build more of them so everyone can be happy ! But tolerance is no longer practiced, and the assault continues, whether it be on the traditional family unit; religion; the Constitution; our capitalist system; and our history. I'm very fearful that any statue, monument, and sign or placard depicting anyone or anything "Confederate" will be removed from the hallowed grounds of Gettysburg, Antietam, Shiloh, Chancellorsville, Appomattox, etc. Book burning can't be too far behind.
Best Regards,
Greg
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“Any society which suppresses the heritage of its conquered minorities, prevent their history, and denies them their symbols, has sown the seeds of its destruction.”
Sir William Wallace,
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Gregory C. White
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Quote:Quote: Hi Greg,
I heard a Robert E Lee statue removed from a park in Dallas sold for 1.5 million! And that the statues can be relocated to non public sites? Anyone know where other statues may be going? Can they be put in a Confederate Cemetery??
Thanks, & Regards,
MD Hi Dave, How long before the Confederate cemeteries themselves are desecrated ? Or is that too far fetched as a proposition ? Let’s hope so. Regards, Phil
Phil,
Confederate cemeteries have been frequent targets for many years. Usually spray-painted, but in extreme cases
have been subjected to markers being overturned or broken with sledgehammers.
Greg
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“Any society which suppresses the heritage of its conquered minorities, prevent their history, and denies them their symbols, has sown the seeds of its destruction.”
Sir William Wallace,
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Phil Andrade
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Quote:Quote: Quote: Hi Greg,
I heard a Robert E Lee statue removed from a park in Dallas sold for 1.5 million! And that the statues can be relocated to non public sites? Anyone know where other statues may be going? Can they be put in a Confederate Cemetery??
Thanks, & Regards,
MD Hi Dave, How long before the Confederate cemeteries themselves are desecrated ? Or is that too far fetched as a proposition ? Let’s hope so. Regards, Phil Phil, Confederate cemeteries have been frequent targets for many years. Usually spray-painted, but in extreme cases have been subjected to markers being overturned or broken with sledgehammers. Greg
Greg,
What reaction does this evince ?
Are people reluctant to make good the damage, lest they be seen as sympathetic to a cause which many consider racist, or is there a quick and bold response and repair ?
Regards, Phil
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"Egad, sir, I do not know whether you will die on the gallows or of the pox!"
"That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes
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Gregory C. White
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Quote:Quote: Quote: Quote: Hi Greg,
I heard a Robert E Lee statue removed from a park in Dallas sold for 1.5 million! And that the statues can be relocated to non public sites? Anyone know where other statues may be going? Can they be put in a Confederate Cemetery??
Thanks, & Regards,
MD Hi Dave, How long before the Confederate cemeteries themselves are desecrated ? Or is that too far fetched as a proposition ? Let’s hope so. Regards, Phil Phil, Confederate cemeteries have been frequent targets for many years. Usually spray-painted, but in extreme cases have been subjected to markers being overturned or broken with sledgehammers. Greg Greg, What reaction does this evince ? Are people reluctant to make good the damage, lest they be seen as sympathetic to a cause which many consider racist, or is there a quick and bold response and repair ? Regards, Phil
In most cases I'm aware of, there is outrage over such incidents. Clean-up and repairs, whenever possible, are generally the norm. It would seem to me there are better ways of atoning for past injustices, perceived or otherwise, than judging people of the mid 19th century through 21st century lenses and desecrating and vandalizing their grave sites. The USA is in cultural decline and ignorance of American history is bliss!
Greg
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“Any society which suppresses the heritage of its conquered minorities, prevent their history, and denies them their symbols, has sown the seeds of its destruction.”
Sir William Wallace,
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Phil Andrade
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All too true, I regret to say, Greg !
It's almost as if there is a movement to " cancel" the record of the past, if it doesn't live up to the required standards.
Regards, Phil
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"Egad, sir, I do not know whether you will die on the gallows or of the pox!"
"That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes
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morris crumley
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I fondly remember going to Lexington Virginia on vacation one year. As a student of that " war between the states" it was like a pilgrimage to a very historic town.
I`m glad I went there before insanity broke out. I would not spend a dime of tourist cash in that place today.
As I`ve said before, it is most likely that nearly every man who served in the Confederacy, and had children of his own, has had descendants fight for this country on every battlefield of every war since that one...an atonement in blood and sacrifice. It is pathetic to now tell the sons of confederate veterans that their service to this country means nothing...that their ancestors are not even entitled to rest in peace.
The rot taking place in this country is immeasurable. Will "Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John" be removed from the parade ground of VMI because "its too religious?"
Respects, Morris
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Gregory C. White
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Quote: I fondly remember going to Lexington Virginia on vacation one year. As a student of that " war between the states" it was like a pilgrimage to a very historic town.
I`m glad I went there before insanity broke out. I would not spend a dime of tourist cash in that place today.
As I`ve said before, it is most likely that nearly every man who served in the Confederacy, and had children of his own, has had descendants fight on every battlefield of every war since that one...an atonement in blood and sacrifice. It is pathetic to now tell the sons of confederate veterans that their service to this country means nothing...that their ancestors are not even entitled to rest in peace.
The rot taking place in this country is immeasurable. Will "Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John" be removed from the parade ground of VMI because "its too religious?"
Respects, Morris
Morris,
I also fondly recall my first trip to Virginia in the mid 1980s, which included Lexington, Richmond, Fredericksburg, and so many other historic places, retracing the footsteps of my Georgia ancestors during the War for Southern Independence. That trip led to many return visits. I once pondered Virginia as a place to retire, but changing demographics and politics of the Old Dominion put that idea to rest. Look at the loon it has for governor!
I vividly remember the statues on Monument Avenue in Richmond, and the Museum of The Confederacy, before it was renamed to make it "less offensive" and more inclusive. Now its priceless collections have been farmed out by the National Park Service and subjected to reinterpretation.
As for the group of cannon @ VMI christened Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, I suspect they'll simply be renamed. Is "Little Sorrel" still on display in the VMI museum?
This recent Thanksgiving, a holiday ironically instituted by Abraham Lincoln, was subjected to politically correct scrutiny and questioned whether or not it be celebrated in the future. The premise for the angst being white settlers of the English colony took advantage of the Native peoples, exploited them, gave them disease, etc., and led to similar treatment of enslaved Africans. Remember, they didn't land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on them ! So while "Juneteenth" will likely become a holiday soon, Thanksgiving itself, instead of the turkey, may be on the chopping block, so to speak.
While Congress has passed a bill to remove Confederate statues, monuments, signage, placards, field position markers and so forth from our National battlefield parks, I predict the new Senate will follow suit as well and make it law. There will be no reason for me to make future pilgrimages to Gettysburg, Antietam, Fredericksburg and many other shrines to American valor.
While I can still say it, at least in public -
Merry Christmas !
Best Regards,
Greg C. White
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