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Why is the US everywhere? Who do we think we are? In 1913 Wilson was still looking back to the mantra of George Washington...no foreign entanglements, yet here we are. Has the US helped or has it caused more problems? I think the US has no idea concerning the ramifications of what they are doing in Ukraine just as they had no idea what was going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe the US should just stay within its borders and let Europe deal with Ukraine, and let South Korea, Japan, India deal with China? What will we lose if we dont? are we the cause? Imagine if Russia was messing around with Mexico?
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OpanaPointer
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How much time have you devoted to understanding the issues?
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Quote: Why is the US everywhere? Who do we think we are? In 1913 Wilson was still looking back to the mantra of George Washington...no foreign entanglements, yet here we are. Has the US helped or has it caused more problems? I think the US has no idea concerning the ramifications of what they are doing in Ukraine just as they had no idea what was going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe the US should just stay within its borders and let Europe deal with Ukraine, and let South Korea, Japan, India deal with China? What will we lose if we dont? are we the cause? Imagine if Russia was fucking around with Mexico?
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Quote:Why is the US everywhere?
$$$,$$$,$$$ & power.
Dan
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OpanaPointer
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Most people look at a map that shows "US Installations" in many countries. Being lazy they decide that means military installations and then they hare off into "foot on neck" installations. The thing is most of those "installations" are relays. One small building, a big ass antenna and a fence. Lazy thinking doesn't get that far, of course.
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Quote:Quote: Why is the US everywhere? Who do we think we are? In 1913 Wilson was still looking back to the mantra of George Washington...no foreign entanglements, yet here we are. Has the US helped or has it caused more problems? I think the US has no idea concerning the ramifications of what they are doing in Ukraine just as they had no idea what was going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe the US should just stay within its borders and let Europe deal with Ukraine, and let South Korea, Japan, India deal with China? What will we lose if we dont? are we the cause? Imagine if Russia was fucking around with Mexico?
vpatrick Quote: Why is the US everywhere? $$$,$$$,$$$ & power. Dan
Vince, it is what Empires do and have always done. That is project military power, with it´s allies, to protect the resources they need to survive and maintain itself. Those who fail to do so inevitably, sometimes even at a snail´s pace, decline.
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Some swim with the stream. Some swim against the stream. Me - I´m stuck somewhere in the woods and can´t even find the stupid stream.
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Quote: How much time have you devoted to understanding the issues?
This is an attempt to understand the issues, I dont know what the answer is, it is a very nuanced complicated question and maybe my question is to simplistic. And I do spend some time trying to understand the role the US plays in the world but I doubt anyone will ask me to join a think tank.
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Vince, I don`t put much stock in think tanks now-a-days. Seems like the thinkers are the ones who are tanking!
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OpanaPointer
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Are you familiar with the seven blind men and the elephant?
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Quote: Are you familiar with the seven blind men and the elephant?
Well thanks to google I do now, what is your point?
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They over-focused and came to conclusions based on limited and highly specific information. This happens a lot. I catch myself doing it once in a while.
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Quote:Quote: Quote: Why is the US everywhere? Who do we think we are? In 1913 Wilson was still looking back to the mantra of George Washington...no foreign entanglements, yet here we are. Has the US helped or has it caused more problems? I think the US has no idea concerning the ramifications of what they are doing in Ukraine just as they had no idea what was going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe the US should just stay within its borders and let Europe deal with Ukraine, and let South Korea, Japan, India deal with China? What will we lose if we dont? are we the cause? Imagine if Russia was fucking around with Mexico?
vpatrick Quote: Why is the US everywhere? $$$,$$$,$$$ & power. Dan Vince, it is what Empires do and have always done. That is project military power, with it´s allies, to protect the resources they need to survive and maintain itself. Those who fail to do so inevitably, sometimes even at a snail´s pace, decline. Trevor
Hi Trevor,
Has not the pursuit of empire been the downfall of many nations? The US has most if not all the resources it needs in its own hemisphere, I would gather though if the US retreated from the world another player would emerge. Many countries not just in Europe rely on the US military forces for overall defense of their nations making the US entangled in many conflicts that may not be in the overall interest of the US. If its about money the US imports more than it exports not sure why the US would care that much about global security if its about shipping lanes.
I think a world force that ensures global security would be a better approach but I guess its been tried, the UN has failed trying to do this. I dunno I guess Im just a blind man feeling an elephant, hard questions to answer but I think the questions need to be asked.
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Quote: Vince, I don`t put much stock in think tanks now-a-days. Seems like the thinkers are the ones who are tanking!
Respects, Morris
Me neither Morris. Seems to me they are thinking whatever those who pay them want them to think.
Stopped listening to politicians as well. Started listening to comedians instead.
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Some swim with the stream. Some swim against the stream. Me - I´m stuck somewhere in the woods and can´t even find the stupid stream.
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Quote:Quote: Vince, I don`t put much stock in think tanks now-a-days. Seems like the thinkers are the ones who are tanking!
Respects, Morris Stopped listening to politicians as well. Started listening to comedians instead. Trevor
Good advice for all
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