Why do you guys keep engaging him?

If the US has the best education system in the world, can anyone explain to me how the many US students turning up here in Berlin are STUNNINGLY ignorant ? Especially in history, geography and language skills.

Trevor

To tie that into the thread....I believe that any illegal immigrant who enlists in the US military, and serves for 4 years should receive automatic US citizenship.

Respects, Morris

That should end any comments about Americans and geography, to a rest.

In the 2021 ranking, the United States dropped from the second spot in 2020 to the third spot in 2021 in a ranking of secondary school students' performance in international science and math competitions. Behind China and Russia, the U.S ranked third in science and math competitions.

And as the Chinese and the Russian may have skewed their results, The US still ranks pretty high.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/math-rankings-by-country

In the 2021 ranking, the United States dropped from the second spot in 2020 to the third spot in 2021 in a ranking of secondary school students' performance in international science and math competitions. Behind China and Russia, the U.S ranked third in science and math competitions.

And as the Chinese and the Russian may have skewed their results, The US still ranks pretty high.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/math-rankings-by-country

Ironically, despite the United States having the best-surveyed education system on the globe, U.S students consistently score lower in math and science than students from many other countries. According to a Business Insider report in 2018, the U.S. ranked 38th in math scores and 24th in science. Discussions about why the United States' education rankings have fallen by international standards over the past three decades frequently point out that government spending on education has failed to keep up with inflation.

The annual Best Countries Report, conducted by US News and World Report, BAV Group, and the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, reserves an entire section for education. The report surveys thousands of people across 78 countries, then ranks those countries based upon the survey's responses. The education portion of the survey compiles scores from three equally-weighted attributes: a well-developed public education system, would consider attending university there, and provides top-quality education. As of 2021, the top ten countries based on education rankings are:
The United States
The United Kingdom
Germany
Canada
France
Switzerland
Japan
Australia
Sweden
The Netherlands

This puts to rest any comment about the American school system.

maybe Finland and Singapore didn't participate...or maybe they didn't want their results to be known?

This puts to rest any comment about the American school system.

Bottom line....US students leave school with a collection of assessments that demonstrate their readiness for college or work.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandonbusteed/2019/03/29/why-arent-graduates-ready-for-work-theyre-the-least-working-generation-in-us-history/?sh=7f9aa2b95e58

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The odd thing is that for most educators these rankings usually promote interest in those countries to determine their best practices. It can be as simple as asking how the South Koreans teach mathematics. What is their methodology?

It can be more complex and involve different issues like teacher qualifications, salaries or teacher autonomy in the classroom.

A chance to learn then.

1. Our system is such a disgrace that our Ivy League schools and service academes turn away countless number of Americans who want to go to school there.

2. Private schools are expensive. State universities are affordable.

3. I'm calling malarky on Social security payment s being docked. If you derive most of your income from Social Security, you don't have to pay off your student loans.

4. What America provides is a free public school education for all students.

5. Plus our students are taught to think on their feet.

As far as the cost of books etc...we call that Capitalism. You believe in Capitalism don't you?

4. What America provides is a free public school education for all students.

Plus our students are taught to think on their feet.

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It is clear that post secondary education is not affordable for all and that too many young Americans are graduating with crippling debt. Why did your President decide to eat the cost of this debt.

Joe Biden forgave loans for a few reasons. First of all, these young Americans vote and they tend to vote for the Democratic Party, the same political party that Joe belongs to. Second, it will allow young Americans to contribute to the economy via purchase power of the dollar. Third, it will allow young Americans to save money. Fourth, It may allow young Americans to buy a new home.



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Clearly a socialist policy at work here. Can't have that. Education should be reserved for the wealthy in a capitalist system.


You mean where you live, parents have to pay tuition to send their children to a public school? Not like that in the US.



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Interesting statement. How do you know that your school curriculum encourages creative thought? Did you just toss it out there? Any evidence to substantiate this assertion.

More so in the undergraduate and universities than in secondary school. However, it does exist in secondary schools via curriculums that expose the students to controversial books, modern texts, and problem solving in the field. Didn't you take a course in surveying in college? Did you take science courses where they had labs? Did you do experiments in college?

In law, here in the US we have moot court.
In Medicine, we have acting internships.




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It is clear that post secondary education is not affordable for all and that too many young Americans are graduating with crippling debt. Why did your President decide to eat the cost of this debt.

There are countries that will provide free education at the university level. I would like my country to progress to that level as long as the candidates are qualified to be there. Education is a great leveller and drags people out of poverty which is the root cause of many of the deficiencies of the K-12 system.


RE: Books and school supplies. For some students the cost of these supplies limits their ability to succeed. Some students who are on the edge financially simply choose to try to get by without a text. There are studies that show that students who cannot afford a textbook are more likely to drop a course.

Fortunately the colleges and universities are fighting back against the capitalist SOB's who sell these books. They are starting to develop their own called Open Educational Resources. There has been some criticism that they aren't quite as good as published textbooks but it seems that the students using OER do as well as students who purchase the textbook.
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Jim, sorry it took so long, what you said about the differing jobs and the lack of need for the same standards of fitness is true.....but it has always been the case in the military. There has always been logistics, communications, etc. It`s not new, and I don`t see why fitness requirements suddenly need to be lowered for anyone.

I wouldn`t care if the guy next to me in the field was fat....all I care about is if that guy is capable of carrying my shot up butt for some considerable distance, out of harm, without collapsing from a coronary!

Respects always, Morris

1. Our system is such a disgrace that our Ivy League schools and service academes turn away countless number of Americans who want to go to school there.



3. I'm calling malarky on Social security payment s being docked. If you derive most of your income from Social Security, you don't have to pay off your student loans.

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