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NYGiant
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9/13/2022 9:04:45 AM
On this day in 1862, Union soldiers Sergeant John Bloss and Corporal Barton Mitchell found a piece of paper wrapped around 3 cigars. The paper contained the plans of the Rebel Maryland Campaign.

This is one of the more controversial aspects of the Civil War. Who did lose the Order? Was this a ruse on Lee's behalf? The paper starts with item #3. What were Items #1 and #2? What did they say? The order was a few days old. Where the Rebel units still in there same place? This has been studied since 1862 and no definitive answers exist.

I've always looked at this part of the campaign as Lee dividing his ANV into 5 parts, unaware of how close the McClellan and the AoP were . I blame this on Stuart for not informing Lee of the brisk advance of the AoP towards the invading foreign Rebel Army.

The best book on this subject is...'Taken At the Flood" by Joseph Harsh.

The biggest question I have is....What happened to the cigars?
Phil Andrade
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9/13/2022 1:57:55 PM
Imagine how those cigars might sell on eBay !

How much do you reckon they would sell for ?

Cigars have a certain cache in the folklore of that war.

How about the butt of the cigar that Sickles was chewing as he was born from the field at Gettysburg, with his shattered leg about to be amputated ? Who would bid for that ?

Grant was rather profligate with his cigars : perhaps that would render them less desirable. The remains of one of his whittled sticks might command a better price.

The “ ten Penny nail” that was driven into Hancock’s groin at the climax of Gettysburg might be supremely sought after !

Heck, I might be onto something here !

Regards, Phil
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"Egad, sir, I do not know whether you will die on the gallows or of the pox!" "That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress." Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes
NYGiant
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9/13/2022 3:53:32 PM
You never know w act you care going to find, especially on eBay.

A few years ago, a letter sold that completely changed our interpretation of Benedict Arnold at Saratoga. The letter describes the two generals discussing an attack on approaching British forces — an account at odds with conventional stories of the men being in conflict, and Arnold engaging in wild and insubordinate behavior on the battlefield that day. he contents — which include a first-hand account of a conversion between Gates and Arnold at Arnold’s headquarters at the Nielsen House — are historically significant,
Phil Andrade
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9/13/2022 4:19:32 PM
Mundane objects can assume great significance.

A soldier’s tin cup or clay pipe can make a big impact.

If something manages to engage intellect and emotions, it might be all the more intriguing by virtue of being an everyday thing.

Did anyone conserve the white gloves that became frayed as Grant whittled sticks relentlessly under the strain of the Wilderness battle ?

I wonder if the Civil War was the first to litter the battlefield with diaries and letters as soldiers became increasingly literate and newspapers encouraged more printing and distribution. There would be the novelty of photographs. The democratic citizen armies of that war might have shown us its modern attributes in its battlefield relics.

There were, I dare say, more traditional debris in he form of bibles and prayer books.

A piece of hardtack recovered from the field of Shiloh: that would trade well on eBay !


Regards, Phil

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"Egad, sir, I do not know whether you will die on the gallows or of the pox!" "That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress." Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes
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9/13/2022 4:31:31 PM
The American Civil War was pretty well documented, first with the new invention of photography, and second, by the letters sent home, letters sent to newspapers and diaries because so many of the soldiers were now literate.

The unknown dead interred at Gettysburg had their pockets emptied, and what was found lies somewhere in the bowels of the Visitors Center. Now that is a treasure!
Phil Andrade
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9/13/2022 4:52:15 PM
There were, I suppose, traditional soldiers’ paraphernalia that have been found on battlefields through the centuries : decks of cards, perhaps thrown away by men anxious to meet their maker in a state of grace. I imagine that pathetic clusters of such things might indicate where troops had formed up before making a deadly advance. Playing cards and - dare I say ? - pornography could be items that were sought after by bored and frustrated soldiers the world over.

Regards, Phil
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"Egad, sir, I do not know whether you will die on the gallows or of the pox!" "That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress." Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes
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9/13/2022 5:26:25 PM
In the process of examining the bodies, Weaver found things the men had been carrying. He set them aside in special packages for relatives or friends to claim later. There were 287 such packages, he reported. He included a list of what was found.

Most were the simple items that the average Billy Yank might carry — a comb, a pipe, a toothbrush, a knife, a fork and a spoon. But there were also diaries, photographs, letters, a rosary and Bibles.

With the body of Sgt. L.H. Lee — regiment unknown — Weaver found two combs, a diary and “the bullet that killed him.”

Thomas Doman, of the 25th Ohio regiment, was found with $4 and a gold locket.

One unknown soldier was found with a Bible in German that was inscribed by “Catherine Detanpafer.”

A soldier identified as Charles Sets had a pocketbook and locks of hair from his father, mother, sister and brother.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/after-1863-battle-of-gettysburg-a-grisly-but-noble-enterprise-to-honor-the-fallen/2013/09/12/769c47e6-163c-11e3-a2ec-b47e45e6f8ef_story.html

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